KIMKINS-the perspective of a success story
I no longer support the Kimkins.con site, diet creator, nor dangerous weight loss plan
I ended up here by accident, but I’m staying by choice. I am not going to be popular out here. I know that. But, fortunately, unpopular is a role that I have perfected, so I have learned that I am entitled to an opinion. I don’t have to be “part of the clich” and I can stand up for myself.
I am an active participant in the Kimkins community and I am proud of my success on this program. I am proud to be a part of a community of people who are taking responsibility for their lives. I am proud to be associated with the owner of a web-site that can admit her mistakes and move forward with her head high. And, I am most proud that I have the gift of forgiveness (which by the way–I don’t think that the owner needs my forgiveness–she delivered to me what I was promised.).
I originally came here to “discuss” some events with folks who were previous Kimkins members and have opted to go elsewhere. I RESPECT their choice. This way of eating is not for everyone. Everyone is entitled to find their own path and needs to find their own path. Kimkins is my path and that’s where I intend to stay.
I came here with one simple request….a request for RESPECT. This request was prompted when a person and/or people sabatoged my home site…KIMKINS..one night. It was nothing more than a child-like prank, intended to induce panic. Fortunately, it was not a well-planned prank, because the timing made it possible to divert it before unsuspecting participants in the community were subject to the venom that was being spew.
I came here to see many of the folks that I had looked up to in the KIMKINS community, acting like bullies in the schoolyard. There strength came in numbers of people who were able to speak aggressively. (I am not convinced that they have the actual high numbers, but they definitely have loud voices out here.) Most did not want to have an “adult” discussion. In fact, when confronted with MY truth, all they did was try diversion tactics so they could “conveinently” miss my point and saracasm. Both of which are used by politicians when they don’t have a good defense. I was open and honest about how I felt and my perceptions, but they don’t want to hear my TRUTH. Which prompts my saying….”There are 2 sides to EVERY story” and the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
Everyone wants to blame KIMKINS for the health concerns that they have since losing weight. But I have not seen one person who takes any accountability what-so-ever for their participation. No accountability for their choices.
Some of the ALLEGATIONS–I say allegations because I personally have not experienced this within the KIMKINS community, but I won’t say that others haven’t.
1) Dependance on laxatives–I have never seen anyone post to take laxatives, either periodically or on a regular basis. I am not saying that it may not have been said. But, as a grown adult, if someone had told me that, I would have questioned it. I would not have blindly followed that advice. I am capable of making my own decisions about what I put in my body. We are not children, being told what to do. We are adults.
2) The program is not nutritonally sound–says who. This way of eating practically mirrors what you are told to eat, by WLS surgeons after LAPBAND surgery. When I said that in a prior post, someone replied, “Don’t give KIMMERS the credit, you yourelf said that you had the diet plan before KIMKINS from your WLS surgeon”. OK–you missed the point. The point being, would a surgeon be handing out this diet if it wasn’t nutritionally sound. My comment wasn’t about KIMMERS, it was about the nutritional value of the way of eating. (Diversion at its finest).
–but I lost hair–yes, on every weight loss program out there, if you are losing a considerable amount of weight, you have the potential of losing hair. Did you research it at all. Did you ask what supplements might help. No…you were so excited to have finally found your answer, that you wouldn’t have listened if it was written in BOLD letters on an engraved invitation to you. and if your honest with yourself, you know this is the truth.
–I have heart palpatations–again, this can be associated with any weight loss program. But did you see your doctor first. Did you have an EKG? Do we have something to evidence that it is not a problem associated with something else. Probably not, because even though we have all be told a million times before, “Before starting this or any other weight loss program please consult your physician”. Maybe the KIMKINS site did not say it–I don’t know if it did or didn’t, but you’ve heard the message before. You didn’t want to be accountable for that. You were too excited to jump in, log on and get started, without being bothered by the small details like doctors approval. But, now….you don’t have any accountability do you.
–I’m losing muscle because I did not exercise–Okay, again health 101, we started hearing about this in 6th grade. How exercise is essential. Did KIMKINS say you could lose weight without exercising. Yes, and you can. And guess what, there are a gazillion other programs that say you can lose weight without exercise and you can. Is it the best choice, I don’t think so, but that’s me. I’M ACCOUNTABLE FOR ME. Muscles that aren’t exercised atrophy. This message is not new. But now, that folks are having problems from not exercising (which they would have had anyway, since they didn’t exercise) they are standing back and gasping….oh no…KIMMERS.
3) We were defrauded. I don’t know about you, but what I was told was that I could lose weight at a faster rate than with WLS and that I would be given support. Both of which are true. I have enjoyed weight loss at a rate greater than the LAPBAND (when I had it) gave me and I have been given support. How is that defrauding me. Now, there has been the admission about the photos. OKAY, are we going after every company that markets to us and does not have 100% truth in their advertising. Kimmers admitted publicly that the photos were not her. But, that’s not good enough. She told the truth and yet she is still persecuted. No one can move past this. Have you considered how many times other companies have lied to you. Bigger companies, national companies and international companies. But then again, the big companies would simply laugh at the bullying tactics that I have seen here.
And even within the nay-sayers and the “haters” there is conflict…it’s just hidden. The emails that I invited and received are by people who are confused, but want to get back on track. Some talk of being bullied. The pressure was too much. To those emails. I don’t even respond. I am not going to particpate in burning both ends of the candle until it melts in the middle. KIMKINS is either right for you or it’s not. If it’s not, you don’t have to join the “bullies” you just need to find the path for your journey. That simple. If KIMKINS is right for you, then you need to get back on track and work the program and ignore the “bullies”.
Some have posted that they can’t wait to see KIMMERS and DEL in jail cells. Are you kidding me? First, you need to understand what the suit is about. They aren’t going to jail as far as I can see. It’s about money. A suit wanting monetary damages. What is going to happen (I say this as someone who works for an insurance company in civil litigation), is that the case will likely settle for some nominal amount (assuming there is an insurance company involved). It won’t settle because they find fault with KIMMERS, it will settle because of the margin of economics, it is cheaper to settle than to pay attorneys to defend the case through trial. The attorneys are going to reap the benefits and the pennies will fall to the plaintiffs. It will be pennies. I see it everyday of my life. And then people stand back and think about all the time, energy and resources that were spent chasing after this measley little windfall. But then again…it’s all about the almighty dollar. And, the ones that are chasing that dollar are the same ones that accuse KIMMER of being money hunger for selling subscriptions to a website for $60. There is some irony in that isn’t there. How one would begrudge someone of selling a subscription to a website, but then chase down the dollar and clog our courts, through the judicial system. Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm. It is clear to me that KIMMERS is a business woman and set up a internet business and I assume that she did that to make money. Unless you know how the court system works, and what could/could not be gained in a suit, it’s a little murkier when people say that they are trying to “save” just one life, yet sueing for monetary damages.
The last thing that I will address here today is a post that I read insinuating that anyone who knowingly stays at KIMKINS and associates themselves with KIMMERS or the KIMKINS site is unprofessional and unethical. Let me tell you that I resent that remark–like you care. I hold many professional designations. I have educated myself and continue to do so. I am highly respected in the legal community. I work on industry related boards and volunteer committees. Don’t you ever question my professionalism or ethics. I have a proven track record. I am making a choice that is best for me and my health. I am supporting the program that best suits me. That has nothing to do with professionlism or ethics.
I welcome good discussion about low carb eating, etc here. I am not blocking any responses. But, I will say. I will not get involved in bullying or being bullied. If you are attempting to defend through diversion, sarcasm, or other politician type tactics, I will call you on it.
This is a forum for ADULTS, not adults acting like a bunch of immature kids.
And, one final thought. I’m posting this because I’M ONE IN A MILLION. I don’t have to use a pack mentality to make a point. To intimidate others into believing my PERCEPTION.
May 6, 2008 at 1:32 am |
Well, I saw the response to my last post at the other blog. And again, either someone doesn’t understand what I’m saying (which I thougth I communicated pretty good) or it is another diversion tactic. They insinuate that I am only at Kimkins site for the support, but that I was not following the KK diet. Not true. I am following the KK food plan. I said taht I paid for the food plan and support and that’s what I am getting.
I don’t know if people were being banned because of talking about other food plans or not. But, think about it. Do you go in a Weight Watchers meeting and start talking about how your following Jenny Craig. Frankly, if folks were banned for talking about other food plans and encouraging foods that weren’t on the program. I understand it. I don’t wanna sit in there and read how folks are eating this and that.
Then it was said that Kimmer was marketing to teens. Kimmer was marketing her program. The lawsuit isn’t about teens that were taken advantage of, it is about grown adults wanting to win the lottery. Nothing short of that. Many of the folks that are jumping on this band wagon, didn’t find out about this program anywhere but the Women’s World article, so that’s a load of bull.
Someone also commented that because I was morbidly obese, maybe that’s why my doctor approved of this, but if I only had 20 or so pounds to lose, then maybe it wasn’t the best option. OK….I don’t think it personally matters if you have 150 lbs to lose or 20 lbs to lose. 20 lbs is just as important to the “overweight” person as 150 lbs is to the “morbidly obese” person. Perhaps, if I only had 20 lbs to lose, I would have chosen something else….but I understand why some folks don’t. They want RESULTS. 1/2 lb a week at WW is not “results” for me. So regardless of the amount of weight that you have to lose, we are looking for the same thing. An answer. I found mine. I’m not starving. I’m not nutritionally bankrupt. IF they were….that’s THEIR OWN FAULT. It was their choice what they did or did not put in their mouths.
I did notice that there was an underlying tone of “as I get closesr to goal, maybe the complications will surface and I will understand”. That sounds to me, a lot like someone wishing weight loss complications on me, for the sake of furthering their own interest in this matter (NOTICE THAT I SAID WEIGHT LOSS COMPLICATIONS AND NOT KIMKINS COMPLICATIONS).
So far, out of the entire band of bullies, no one has debated my points head on. They have skirted the issue, they have tried to divert the attention from my point, and they have used sarcasm.
For clarification….I do follow the KIMKINS food plan. For clarification, I do use common sense and be aware of what is going in my body. For clarification, I believe this program has “saved” my life. For clairification, I do not get paid for supporting the KIMKINS plan or KIMMERS. I do not have a monetary interest in this matter. Not sure that all the nay sayers and “haters” can say the same. Some may not have a financial interest, some are trying to start their own internet based business, some are looking for a legal windfalll, some are collaterol damage and afraid to take a stand against the bullies. Not me, got the wrong girl here.
These folks act like this is the worst case of injustice that has ever hit the courts. They do not want any accountability for their own actions. I hope they understand the term “contributory negligence”, because it might surprise them when it is applied in a court of law.
I’ve asked before, but where was their concern for me, when I was 350 lbs and stuffing my face with Hostess products. Who was out here bashing Hostess, because it was “tearing” down my body. Who was “saving” me then.
As for me, I will continue on my KIMKINS journey. I understand what’s going on here, better than they think I do. They don’t want to “save” one person or “save” me. They want to further their cause for the all mighty dollar. Bottom line is, if they get any money (and that’s a big if), it’s not going to make them happy. Some of them are just bitter and negative people who have to have some kinda drama going (not all–but read the posts–it’s obvious that’s the case with some of them).
I shared with them once….If you are watching for someone else to fail, then you are not watching for yourself to succeed. The irony, not one of them got it. Because they are too busy watching for the KIMKINS community to fail.
Oh well, I still sincerely wish them all the best in their weight loss and health journey. But I don’t mind saying, that I hope they are “bankrupt” when it comes to a settlement on the lawsuit.
May 6, 2008 at 2:19 am |
LMAO–
Now it has been posted that I am a very angry person. LOL–those who know me…Know that I just call em as I see em. It’s really not a big deal.
This person now wants to blame KIMKINS because she was in “starvation” mode. What she had said before is that the program said, you don’t have to exercise. I squashed that, so now, we have turned to “starvation” mode. Well, my friend, if you were starving it was your own fault. (Yes, I have been accused of blaming everyone but Kimmers–never once did I say that Kimmers didn’t do some things wrong–she’s admitted it. But the fact still remains that they want to take NO ACCOUNTABILITY). There is no reason to starve on this program. No reason whatsoever. You see, I keep my counts in fitday. I know where my calorie counts fall, I know that if I am more active, then I need to up my calories a bit. But then again, I’m accountable. If I chose to STARVE myself, it wouldn’t be KIMMERS fault. She didn’t pull the food out of my mouth.
Now, I don’t wish any complications on anyone. I think it’s awful to have to go through some of the complications of weight loss. But, when and if I do experience them, it will be my responsibility to address them. HELL, it’s my responsibility to monitor my health through this whole process.
Yep, someone is angry…but it is not me. I have simply stated my thoughts in a direct manner. I haven’t had to sabatoge anyone’s home site. I haven’t had to resort to intimidation. I havent’ had to bully others. And the only thing that has been thrown back is …well, not really insults, but put downs. (I really hope she gets help for her anger- I believe is the quote).
Was I angry that someone behaved like a 2 year old and sabatoged my home site. Yes, and I didn’t respond to that for a week or more. I tried (and think I succeeded) in responding in an adult manner. I tried to ahve courtesy to the owner of the blog. I was hoping for one result…mutual respect for our decisions. But I’m not sure that I have seen RESPECT in any of the responses. It has been insinuated that I lied. Hmmmmmm common thread, anyone that follows KK is a liar. I have the emails to prove it, I am just not devious enough to cut & paste them or publish them. They were intended for my eyes and the authors will either show themselves or not. But, I’m not a liar.
I have been referred to as morbidly obese with more weight to lose (okay you’ve seen the pics, that’s obvious). Those are the labels that society has used to try to pigeon hole folks with a weight problem. I’m surprised that anyone who has ever had a weight problem would resort to those descriptions. But whatever.
In short, they (she) hasn’t found an angry person here, just someone who is not afraid to speak her mind. For the record, I don’t get angry too much, because I try to exercise everyday and the endorphins really help. Also helps to keep my muscles from atrophy and eating keeps me out of starvation mode. Guess I’m one smart cookie. (Protein cookie that is–regular ones have toooooooo many carbs.)
May 6, 2008 at 1:23 pm |
Well, I tried to post the link to this blog, but apparently it wasn’t approv’d (or optimistic me–it wasn’t approved yet.).
So….the “haters” can now type nonsensical words in defense of my points, that I have already told them I won’t respond too. It creates an illusion, the illusion that keeps them disillusioned in this matter. They refuse to see “both sides” of the story, they refuse to take accountability and they refuse to give any respect.
One comments that she followed the program to a “tee” and accused me of tweaking the program. I’ve never said I “tweaked” it. I’ve never had too. I eat until I’m satisfied, I just eat KK friendly foods. I’m active, so 800-1000 calories on a normal day is not enough for me. So, I up the protein. It’s that simple. I don’t starve. No need too. But…the hospitals sell the Optifast program and guess what…it’s based on 800 calories a day.
I was accused of calling someone “dumb” or “stupid”. I never said that. The worst I said was in the KK site (after the childish sabatoge) that even an “idiot” has $60 in their pocket. Granted I probably shouldn’t have written that, not usually my style. But it was an idiotic thing to do to “try” to sabatoge the site.
They refer to KIMMERS and say she has (had) millions. I’m not an accounting major, but just how many memberships would you have to sell at $60 a pop (considering overhead of running the site) to have millions. But again, I have said from minute one that this is about the all mighty dollar.
I don’t have any special knowledge. I am not uniquely intelligent. But I do have common sense.
Someone used the analogy of sewing and having to follow the pattern. I don’t sew…..But………my mom does. and guess what, she an adapt a pattern to fit what she wants her finished results to be. Guess that’s how I learned to be so adaptable….that and a little common sense.
Do I “tweak” the program. Absolutely not. I follow the food lists. I exercise. I listen to my body…when it’s hungry I feed it.
I read and read and read. The pros and cons of low carbing. There is confliicting information out there, but I am informed and I make informed decisions for myself. My decision is to continue supporting my homesite…www.kimkins.com. I will continue to support the KK community. And, I will watch the “haters’ run out into the road for the pennies, just like kids at a parade do for candy. They’ll probably come up with a handful. Hope its worth it.
May 6, 2008 at 7:04 pm |
I suppose I am one of the haters all of you at KK refer to . But I have a question. Did Kimmer ask you or mention to you to start a postive blog for a pro KK Blog? Just curious.
May 6, 2008 at 8:00 pm |
Amy, quite frankly, I’m not sure if you are one of the haters or not. You seemed sweet in your invitation to me to tell my side. You seemed respectful to me, which is what I asked. But I was not really sure how to take the back handed compliment or what it’s intent was. One thing for sure, on your blog, there are “haters”. Folks who want to act childish, immature and not give me my given right to my own opinion. I don’t think I have been disrespectful, I’ve made my points, only to be met with diversion and sarcasm. I’ve been called angry, I’m not angry. I simply make my points and look for productive responses, not the playground bully responses.
Someone even recently said….why give credit to a “stranger”. Aren’t we all really strangers out here in cyber space. So, yes there are “haters”. I really don’t know if you are one or not. When you participated in KK, I always looked forward to your posts and seeing your journey.
I came out here to wordpress because someone came into chat and put a link to your blog. After I read it, and saw some of the folks that I had respected, I felt like I could post…tell my side…and at least we could agree to disagree and hopefully everyone would walk away with more “RESPECT” for the other side. That didn’t really happen.
I said that I wasn’t going to post anymore there, that I had hi-jacked your blog long enough, so I tried to open my own blog. Half the time, I can’t even find where to post. I haven’t learned to navigate this site yet. So in answer, no KIMMERS did not ask me to start this blog. I started it to have a place out here on WORDPRESS, where I could give voice to both sides of the story, not just what the nay-sayers and “haters” want printed. I am capable of having a complete thought without anyone else telling me what to think or write, or where to write it.
You, however, have given me a great idea to start a pro KK blog….if that was my intent, I think I would have titled this blog a little differently.
I do support KK and will continue to do so. I guess if that makes me Satan himself…the anit-christ…then that’s who I am. None of your bloggers have looked at me as a person, as a mother, as a grandmother, as someone’s daughter. I am simply a symbol of KK. What if I was a Republican and you were a Democrat. Would I be insulted with the childish comments. The haters are very narrow minded and don’t really want to do anything but attempt to hurt with their remarks. They hurl them and really miss the point of anything I have posted.
I googled my screenname today and found you at another site that apparently gave me 15 minutes of fame too. Low carb friends. They apparently googled my name as well and found me at obesity help.com, liquid diet discussion board.com, Lapband talk.com. I saw comments that wondered how much of my weight loss was attributable to the LAPBAND and how much to KK. The answer is simply. I paid $17,000 for a LAPBAND that failed and was removed in December of 2006. I lost somewhere around 20 lbs with it. (LOL at 350 lbs). I gained most if not all of it back by the time I learned of KK in June of 2007. So….my weight loss is attributable to KK. They are talking about KK out of both sides of their mouths. First, “of course you will lose weight by starvation” (and I am not starving) and then, when they see that I’ve tried something else..(see it wasn’t KK it was the LAPBAND). I’m an open book. People only need ask. I have nothing to hide. No sorrid past. Just a girl, working her way through this weight loss journey.
So AMYB, I don’t know if your a “hater”. Don’t wanna believe that you are, but I don’t think that even if you believed a word that I said, you would give any support to me, because you don’t want to appear to the “gang” to be giving credence to anything that a KK supporter says. So it looks like (not concluding–just looks like) you sit back being sweet and innocent, while the others sling the mud. I really don’t wanna believe that. Fact of the matter remains…there are two sides to every story and the truth usually falls somewhere in the middle.
I also wondered why all my other posts were accepted on your blog, except the one where I link my blog. But….it really doesn’t matter why.
I still wish everyone the best on their weight loss journey. Hope the sentiments are returned.
May 6, 2008 at 8:27 pm |
Your post are all in my blog and have been way before you posted this response…so I have no idea what this comment means. But I will tell you I had to drag them out of the ping box cause they out them there as trash due to the blog link. So Dee…fee free to post whatever you want on my blog. I for one have not deleted one post off of there since day one.
I am not sure how in the world you can say I sit sweet and innocent and let others sling the mud. I have MY OWN BLOG with my own post with my own comments. How in the world is that letting others do my work for me? I have taken my own battles on with your adored Kimmer…just ask some others…such as the other front page models..Boo and let’s not forget the super admins..So Dee I have no idea what you mean.
But I did e-mail you and I did say you looked great and offer you support days before all this got started..you were having a bad day. So yes I would of and will stand by what I said…I am here and stand by what I have said since day one. I have not a ounce of respect for Heidi and her admins. Period . And BTW I am pretty sweet and innocent…and yes I have been called fake nice.
May 6, 2008 at 8:36 pm |
BTW sorry..I keep not saying this. If my comment seemed backhanded…I am very sorry. It was not meant to be like that and I should of re worded it to you. That was not clear when I posted it. I was heavy for a while…I was almost 250 pounds. And I would never be one to call anyone fat or heavy or make snide comments. In fact….I have not said anything about Heidi’s weight….only that I hate that she said she did the diet and has not. Her size could matter less to me. So I think what I was trying to say is ….I worry about you and the medical issues when you get closer to goal. It seems to me that many of the people I know who have had KK medical issues including myself it was when I was closer to goal. I have no doubt you will close to goal very soon. Not for one minute do I think you have not done a great job with your weight loss…I just worry how things will be as you keep going.
I hope that clears things up more. I did not use the right wording earlier in my blog.
BTW…do you mind answering my question. Did Heidi ask you or suggest you start a pro KK blog?
May 6, 2008 at 8:37 pm |
not sure….all my other posts showed up, but it’s really irrelavent, I said, I wasn’t for sure and couldn’t figure it out.
You did email me, you did say some nice supportive things to me. But, as I said, the “haters” that I have truly identified on the blog don’t want to hear anything but hate of KK…that’s not me. Not gonna be me. You are nice and polite in your blog, even with what I considered a back handed compliment, but the “haters” have found that to be a place where they can be as rude and sarcastic as they want too….a safe haven in numbers.
I didn’t call you “fake nice”. Because the jury is still out with me. I do know that what people really want…is for me to say something that can be construed as a slip up or a failure so they can have their “ah ha” moment. Exactly why they went on a hunt in the other forum to find me on other boards.
Maybe you are more sincere than I can believe right now. Not sure, and it really doesn’t matter I guess.
I know that no one has really address the bottom line of the “haters” and that’s the almighty dollar. I guess that will be address in a California courtroom.
May 6, 2008 at 8:58 pm |
Well Dee…I have said my say and once again I will say your post with your blog are in the comments section and have been approved. When you send a blog comment and it has a link…it goes into a ping folder or the spam comments folder. The comments today went there and were found and approved well before I read your blog here.
I never said you called me fake nice…that is how Heidi fills and her own crew of haters. I reached out to you when I felt I needed to. I have been nothing but kind to you. I did explain that I did not mean what you refer to as a backhanded comment. I will say once again..I simply meant most I know who had issues were in range of being at goal or closer. That is My opinion.
Money has nothing to do with me and my issues with Heidi. They are very personal. Kind of a mother to mother type issue. Some of us moms are very over protective of our children and some just are not. Heidi and I see that topic different. That has nothing to do with money.
Dee…I am who I say I am. I am what I seem I am. I have posted my real pictures from day one…heavy to thinner. Loses and Gains…good and bad days. Many times that has been used against me. Can not make everyone happy.
I guess you are not going to answer the who asked you to start a blog question. BE CAREFUL with the blog issue. Many have started blogs at Heidi’s request ..did not turn out good for them.
May 6, 2008 at 10:13 pm |
Amy, I answered your question in my previous post. Somewhere out here is the answer to your posted question. Not sure where the heck to find it, but ….
I came out her because someone posted a link to your blog in the chatroom. One of my friends actually, but not really sure how the subject came up or how they found your blog.
Anyway, that’s when I originally posted to your blog. Then, rather than to continue in your blog, where many were not very nice to me and really avoided any points that I made, I tried making my own. As you can see, I’m still not very good at it, because somewhere out here in cyber-world is your answer. I will find it, wherever I posted it.
But no, this blog was not created at the request of KIMMERS, it was created by me, because I said that I would no longer be hi-jacking your blog.
Why should I have to be anymore careful than anyone else out here with something to say in a blog. Is it because there are “haters” and I will be a target. Is it because of cyber-bullies? Just curious. Because if that’s the warning. that proves my point. The “haters” can’t operate unless they use a gang mentality and intimidation.
You know….I was so far removed from this controversy, on purpose, that I didn’t even know what the heck a DUCK was. But apparently it has some significance that I don’t yet understand.
Once again….just because I blog, it is not KIMMERS fault. I’m a grown adult who can use my own head and is RESPONSIBLE for my own actions.
For the record, we do agree on some things. I am a mother and a grandmother…..let someone say something about my granddaughter…those are fighting words. So those may be some of the things that you experienced personally….which makes it understandable how you feel. But those are comments are separate from the weight loss journey and our choices in that journey.
And, it is very similar when people call me angry, bitter, unprofessional, unethical….etc. They are personal comments. But I guess its okay for them to get personal with me…..since I am a KK follower.
May 7, 2008 at 12:26 am |
I guess we can go back and forth ..so I will just have to agree to disagree with you. We are both adults with our own minds to do and say what we want…and we both seem to do a good job at that.
I never said it was Heidi’s fault that you started a blog. Heck everyone seems to have a blog lately. I just asked many times if she asked you to start a KK friendly blog. Simple question , hard to answer. I think from past experiences most already know the answer.
Yes Dee it sucks when it gets personal. Just like how I took your opinion that I do not seem to have a voice for myself. I have my own blog with my own topics .Each time one of the admins comes and name calls…and talks smack about my son..I deal with it. And of course we all know how personal it got between Kimmer and my son..low, sad and personal.
So yes Dee…I guess it is personal on BOTH sides.
May 7, 2008 at 3:18 am |
Well, I guess I see just how vicious this cyber world is. First, as far as AMYB’s comments in this blog. I answered her question. I’m not sure that asking twice (or maybe 3 times) is repeatedly, especially since I think I answered it, but then when I gave the HONEST answer. She didn’t believe it. Oh well. I have no reason to lie.
Then the “haters” in another forum posted just nasty things. YOU CAN DEMAND RESPECT. I don’t think I DEMANDED anything. I think I respectfully asked for it. Oh well. YOU CAN’t DEMAND IT…DUH and you can’t force someone to give it. Disrespectful folks aren’t really my kinda folks….
Then, there’s the BE CAREFUL comment that comes across much like a threat. A threat to do what….sue me? LOL. Gonna come bomb my house. LOL.
They can’t break me. They want to…because a KK success story with no health problems ruins their little world. Oh well….
Then there’s the comment that I’ll be back to lurk…..Couldn’t be more wrong. After someone was rude at another site, I never returned and I have no need to return there. They don’t need me and I sure as HELL don’t need them. But I think I know who will be lurking…lurking in the KK site….Lurking in personal journals. Cutting and pasting their edited words. Actually lying…because in two days out here I’ve seen it.
No need to explain myself. No need to be validated by the nay sayers and “haters”. No need to do anything but continue on my road to success.
For the record, I’d do LAPBAND again. My body just rejects the foreign material in it. Just like I can’t have my cartlidge pierced in my ear. So, it wasn’t that the LAPBAND wouldn’t have been a good tool for me…other than my body rejected it.
The lies, hate and everything else I’ve seen out here in these few days…well, the actually make me believe in my choice even more. Maybe their rude and intimidating tactics work to bully others into their believing their perceptions, not me.
Amy wants to continue to talk about how some people have talked bad about her as a mother. I personally apologized to her “if” it happened, even though I didn’t say it. No mother should be talked about like that. But it sounds more like playing a victim turned martyr to me.
And for the record AMY, the only reason that the question was hard to answer about Kimmers asking me to start a KK friendly blog, was (1) because I thought I had answered it and (2) because I was too busy reading all the crapola that everyone was saying about me….on the other site. Folks that don’t know me from Adam. Folks that think somehow that some things are “humor”, but it’s only humor if it’s not intended to hurt someone else. The comment was intended to hurt me. And some of these people are probably raising kids. Is that how we want any of our kids to act.
Anyway, I’ll stay in my little world. I don’t need to lurk with folks who can’t debate point for point and have to resort to insults, ridiculing, diversion and sarcasm. I’m an adult. (AND I ACT LIKE ONE TOO!).
Best of luck to anyone who reads this.
P.S. I’ll still be blogging. Mainly, because I am not going to be “threatened” away from it.
May 7, 2008 at 3:27 am |
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May 7, 2008 at 11:22 am |
Wow you kkers sure seem to think someone is after you all,. Maybe the lack of carbs are making some paranoid.
Sue and her issues..that is a joke. She was not strong enough to do what you do. She hides and spouts off crap and then runs back to Heidi and Gary and cries about it. The has her sister post ..who then tells even more personal info then anyone ever needed to know.
I said be careful because Heidi has a habit of having people do her work for her….ha..just ask the Russian brides. She went on and on until xxxx started a blog then used it for her daily purpose…
Dee that is your big watch out comment..let’s not get dramatic and make it anything else.
As for me crying poor me. You know…I could not care less what Heidi or anyone else thinks of my son. And your “if” ..please…go back and read my blog…PM’s and all. Heidi is a cruel mean women who walk across her son , use his name and her dead mom’s name to do what helped her. She is a piece of work. So let her talk about Philip all she wants…heck…if she needs to pick on him to make herself feel better…then why not. It is all what Heidi Diaz wants. I am looking forward to seeing what Heidi Diaz gets very soon.
You know I have nothing to cry poor me about. I am within a few pounds of goal. I am married 21 years and 4 wonderful children. I have a home and food to eat. And my son is a miracle and a blessing each day he is here. Life is good . So nope..no poor me.
Moving past all the dramatics…I did not threaten you in any way for bloging…blog away. I asked a question and you answered. I said be careful..now I have explained why.
And I never have said one mean cruel or rude remark about you….so I guess the rest of this was not about me.
I must say…Heidi loves when this happens…she sets the stage and we all bicker. So Dee I am done bickering.
Good luck with your blog. Good luck getting to goal…you look wonderful and should be at goal before you know it.
May 7, 2008 at 11:51 am |
Thank you La Dee da for the post. The post that was written in a way to tell your side and be respectful of my decision. I am sure that –since there are 2 sides to every story, that there are things that were done wrong–on both sides.
I have written before, that if I am to learn something about this program that would detour me from my journey, it would be because of my own experience, not because some bullies were intimidating me (BTW–thanks for not bullying and being respectful in your post).
My eyes are open. But, I see good in everything and everyone. Heidi is no different. Has she made mistakes…sure she has. But it doesn’t matter what she would do at this point, no one would let her be human. My experience out here in cyber-space is that many are no better than what they are accusing her of.
As far as AmyB. I’m happy that she has such a wonderful life. Many would kill to have a successful marriage and 4 wonderful children. I know that I would give away much of what I have in this world to be living that experience.
The BE CAREFUL comment came across very strongly and very much appeared threatening. If it wasn’t, then my bad. That’s the price for text communications, emotions and body language are lacking, so you are looking at pure content.
I absolutely am not paranoid and those are the snide comments that make me wonder who you really are AmyB. My lack of carbs has done nothing to my thought process…thank you. If it did, I wouldn’t be able to do the job that I do.
I have never condoned or even gave the appearance of condoning any comments made towards your son. I’ve never seen or heard about any comments unless you blogged about them. Your son is a blessing. My daughter is a blessing…my granddaughter is a blessing. and quite frankly, I am a blessing. God don’t make no mistakes….and that includes Heidi. It’s just simply not for me to judge.
Heidi has set no stage for me to bicker with anyone. I came out into big ole cyber-world because of a link that someone (someone I know) posted in chat. I continued after googling my own screen name and seeing just how vicious (and uninformed) people were about me.
I’m staying to set the record straight about Dee and Dee’s decisions. Nothing more…nothing less. People really shouldn’t assume they know who I am or what I’m about, until they know my whole story. But then again, all they really want to know is if I am pro-KK or anti-KK, because in some simple minds….that’s all there is to me.
May 7, 2008 at 12:34 pm |
I guess Dee I had hoped you would not think that is all I care about…you being pro or anti KK. I told you how I felt in my original e-mail and I still feel that way today.
You are right..everyone is a blessing. WE all are. I guess I focused on Philip because of his medical history. God has blessed me far more then I ever could deserve with my family and health. Just as he has with you and your family.
I am not going to fight the Heidi Issue with you. That is between myself and Heidi. I have what I need to know the truth and soon everyone else will also.
The comment about carbs was for all of us low carb crew.
You said you wondered who the real Amy B is……just a person finding her way …just like everyone else…
May 7, 2008 at 7:01 pm |
Yep I lied..I came back to add yet one more thing..and then I really am done. It was pointed out to me today that you had blogged with some rather harsh words I must of missed when reading here.
“Amy wants to continue to talk about how some people have talked bad about her as a mother. I personally apologized to her “if” it happened, even though I didn’t say it. No mother should be talked about like that. But it sounds more like playing a victim turned martyr to me.”
You know until you have a child who has been sick and not sure they will live each day…you have no idea how a mother should act when that child is talked about by people but have nothing but ill feelings toward him and myself. Saying I have turned Martyr is very rude. I am very blessed to be Philip’s mom. I am even more blessed to be the type of person who would NEVER try to comment on how someone would of should not react to such rude comments.
It is clear that your way of thinking has turned more toward the anti Amy B…Amy B is a Hater thinking..vs the original e-mail way of thinking that I sent you..to agree to disagree.
You know Dee the truth will come out..in full and when it does…know that not everything you or anyone else says…is always private. I sure learned the hard way.
Good luck with your blog.
May 7, 2008 at 10:11 pm |
Amyb–once again…the words I have said are twisted and it really proves my point.
Yes, I obviously wrote…victim turned martyr…but not because you have a sick child. I have said before (and meant) Phillip is a blessing for you and every day of his life he is a blessing. Your writings show that you obviously feel that he is a blessing as well. What was meant was that you choose to let other’s comments (which I have never seen) play out before the threads, blogs & forums in your words over and over and over again….making you a victim who rises above it all…to being a martyr. Certainly nothing about Phillip. It’s your actions that I’m speaking of.
And, don’t presume that I don’t know anything about that. No one has taken the opportunity to get to know me. Know one knows any of my struggles. Everyone just wanted to see me as KIMKINS–even though a few times (not repeatedly but a few times) I have pointed out that I am a daughter, a mother and a grandmother.
Let me share a little with you. My journey involved an 18 year old senior in high school. Headed to college on a volleyball scholarship. Perfect attendance. Captain of the volleyball team. Having a wonderful future for herself. Making a mother proud. Then, a young man from Mexico enters the picture unbeknownst to the mother. A message on the answering machine, “Mom, I’m leaving for Mexico…don’t try to find me”, two months before graduation. Botched attempts to “catch” her before she hit the border, but finally two days later her mistake with a phone call traced to a motel puts her back in my hands. Only to find this girl with such a promising future had a drug addiction (a major drug) and pregnant. Arrested on felony drug chrages to be tried as an adult. Taken out of her senior year at high school in handcuffs for the last day. I was denied watching my only child walk across the stage at graduation. A moment that I will never get back (But yes, she did end up being a member of her graduating class) Pregnant…on drugs…and the baby’s father who was suffering from Muscular Dystrophy. Nine months of pure hell. Knowing that by my beliefs and thank God my daughters belief there was no choice but to have the child. Nine months of fighting drug abuse. Two months of visiting my 18 year old daughter in jail in an attempt to save her, because I believed that we had found out about the drug use in time. Could I have bailed her out. Sure I could have. But I loved her enough to let her sit and try to save her life and the baby’s life.
Fast forward. A beautiful baby girl. A wonder of all wonders. No complications (thank God). But still dealing with potentially a child who would suffer from Muscular Dystrophy. Did you know that there are more than 100 forms of Muscular Dystrophy that are passed on too different sexes by different genes of the father. Did you know there are no early signs of Muscular Dystrophy. Did you know there are no cures for MD? Watching that baby develop over the first year of her life. Looking for any sign that she wasn’t developing properly. Taking her to the MD foundation in Cincinnati for testing, only to find out that we would have to bring her again when she started walking. Looking for muscles in her legs to develop. Analyzing this baby every day of her life and while trying to enjoy the joy’s that babies bring, (you know the first sounds, the first tooth, the first step), all the while, also worrying that all the love that we can give her wouldn’t be enough if she were to be stricken with the disease.
Fast forward. Did I mention that the father was a drug “lord” from Mexico. So, trying to protect this precious little being from that life. Being threatened that she would be “stolen” from us and taken to Mexico to be raised. And right now he lives less than 5 miles from my house. Thank God at this point, he has never laid eyes on her. But I live in that fear everyday of my life. Every time I walk into a store to do something as insignificant as buy a gallon of milk–I have to scan the aisles as I enter them and be prepared to exit if I spot him (and I have before).
I am not a strong person…but that experience…this experience is giving me strength. I had to make decisions that I should never have had to make in an effort to save my daughter and granddaugher. I still make those decisions on a daily basis.
Thankfully, Ashley is now a junior in college and drug free. Amberlee is 3 years old with no sign of the disease. But I still live in some fear of the father who wants to “take” her.
And guess what…I am blessed, everything happens for a reason. That little 3 year old girl has taught me more in her 3 years than many people learn in a lifetime.
Don’t presume that I have no idea about those type of “disguised” blessings.
Don’t presume that I think that Phillip is anything but a blessing to you. Because I think I understand. My trials aren’t nearly as yours are from day to day, but they are trials. I had to deal with them alone. No husband to help share the load.
As this “thread” of fire spreads across the blogs and the not so friendly low carb friends…I will look like a bitch that was “attacking” Phillip. When in fact, I was not. I was speaking towards your actions of constantly using whatever comment may or may not have been said (remember, I’ve never seen them for myself) to stay victimized by it. That is what I was saying.
We all have our stories that could/can make us victims of those who have hurt us. I did what I could do to make you feel better. I apologized (sincerely), but that was never noted. When I said that no mother should ever have to hear those things…I meant it.
I wonder what my mother would think if I showed her what was written about me. I wonder if she would be hurt. I wonder if she would want to defend me. I’ll never know, because I’d never show her, I wouldn’t want her to be hurt like that.
I have said absolutely NOTHING in private that I would not say in public. That’s not who I am. I don’t cut & paste posts from one forum to another. I don’t betray trusts. I speak my mind…my independent thinking.
Amy, our differences are not in what we think about mothers, mothers protecting their children, etc. Our differences lie in two places. First, where we agreed to disagree–KIMKINS and Second, how we chose to handle our trials. Even though I’m an open book, I really don’t live “in” the tings that have hurt me the most. I try to “bury” them and let them RIP. Read my journal, I say that more often than I’d like too.
The truth is not a threat to me. I am fine with the truth. Whatever has happened, been said, not been said does not change the way of eatiing that is working for me.
So there it is…..I do know a little about how you feel about Phillip.
By the way Amy…..Have a Happy Mother’s Day. I mean it…you deserve it.
Dee
May 7, 2008 at 10:33 pm |
Okay….
now a couple more things unrelated to Amy.
I have made the decision that I won’t be returning to the forum of “friends” that weren’t so “friendly” to me.
But I will address a couple of things that I read on my last visit, which will be my last visit.
First, if there was a 14 year old on the KK site that was looking for dieting advice. I have more concern that a 14 year old was on the internet at a paid for site without supervision. Who paid for the subscription? Where are the parents who should be monitoring a 14 year old on the internet. Not because of dieting advice….because there are child predators out there. When I read that ding ding ding a bell went off. A 14 year old girl, unsupervised on the internet. Does no one watch the news.
Second, about how I chose my LAPBAND sursgeon. Well, duh….I didn’t look on the internet. Choosing a surgeon is a little bit different than looking for a way of eating and a support group. As the “haters” have pointed out. I have been members of numerous weight loss sites. Looking for the answer for me. I found it. As far as the LAPBAND, I had several surgeons to chose from. I went to several seminars. And yes, I still believe that the LAPBAND is a wonderful tool in the fight against obesity. I wish it would have worked for me. My surgeon was great. It was not great for me. Hey DOC, can I blame you…I’d like my $17,000 back. Uh…no. I made a decision and it did not work. I’m RESPONSIBLE. And guess what….my DOC and I agree to disagree (like adults) on a topic of gastric bypass surgery. He wanted me to have it. It was not for me. He has not hurled insults at me. I have not hurled insults at him. LOVE YA DOC.
The “friends” are anything but friendly. Even the ones who tried to “talk” nice to me, started out with welcomes and good luck, but ended with “zingers” just so the “gang” wouldn’t alienate them for being nice to someone from KK. “Russian Roulette”….everyone is such a comedian. They laugh at jokes that are just intended to ridicule someone …not real humor. I appreciate humor. They are not funny.
And I guess that I am one who must be a “liar” too, because I believe that early on at KK, I was impressed with AMYB, I thought her transformation was incredibile and I thought she was absolutely beautiful. I wish I could find my post to her, because I think I said that too. Guess what. I meant it.
Also, LauraLa….I think I wrote to her that I thought she was absolutely stunning. I still think her pictures are stunning.
If that makes me a liar…so be it I guess.
One things for sure….I am who I am. I don’t apologize for it. I am independent and don’t have to operate in the gang like mentality, trying to find the poor soul that is intimidated by them. Again…wrong girl.
I am a smalltown girl from hicktown, OHio. I am assertive, but don’t need to be aggressive or passive aggressive to state my points.
The funny thing is….I came out here with an open mind. That mind closes really easily because when people act rude and inappropriate, the open mind shuts and all you hear is Charlie Brown’s teacher…wha wha wha wha wha.
They have commented that I came out here to “show them”. Hardly, I came out to see what all the fuss was about. They made it a point that they were going to “show me”. I wasn’t even given a chance. And that my friends, is a blessing. Because if to be part of the “clich” I would have to riducle others….nay….I’m above all that. Not on a pedalstool, but sure feel like it now.
I showed the thread to a mediator at work. She mediates disagreemnts over 100′s of 1,000′s of dollars. Told her that this is a disagreement. They feel strongly one way and I feel strongly another. She laughed, she told me…”Dee, you’ve been negotiating long enough to know that this is a claim that will never settle…they can get a court ruling and it won’t be enough. It’s the typical claimant who really will never be satisifed.” She said, “I’d spend about 1 hour trying to make folks reasonable and focus on the issue rather than the insults…then I’d collect my $1,000 fee and move on to a case with reasonable folks that I can settle”. That’s from a woman with 20 years experience in mediating disputes. LOL.
Oh well, I know who I am….
May 7, 2008 at 10:57 pm |
Dee
Let me clear a few things up also. I can not imagine how hard it was to deal with your hard times with your daughter and also worrying about your granddaughter. And I think it is wonderful that you are strong and you were able to help them both. I am sure they are a blessing to both of them.
I would love to have my issues with Philip RIP and not mention them ..ect. The problem is..when you spend months in the hospital with a child ..people know . Then again that is okay..I am not ashamed that people know. I have had wonderful online people support me and Philip while he struggled last year with 5 brain operations. Do I talk about his issues..yes I do. Too much..maybe. But My issues with Philip are a daily battle..and yes some days I talk, cry, vent and ask for support. Only a few who I have mentioned before..have ever done anything but be supportive.
I have said a million times..I am a blessed mom to 4 and one of my biggest blessings is being Philip’s mother. End of story.
My issue is with others who have spoken rude of him and even went as far as to doubt if he was real..Geez….that is crazy. You say “IF” this happen…take a look at my blog…Gary says cleary…Amy you are a stay at home with a sick kid.shut up and get over it..Heidi ..wow where to begin..the PM’s are in there..
But really…the truth is…you are Dee ..You are not Heidi or SL or Gary or anyone else…You are who you are. You are right..you have never said anything bad about Philip….you just feel like I have taken the rude remarks about him and become a victim and a Marta. And that is your opinion. We each have one.
Maybe one day when you see everything you will understand the way I feel..maybe not. Either way it is okay. The truth is the truth.
Philip has nothing to do with this. And the truth is…I am going to try my best to not mention him anymore. You and everyone else knows what I “say” Heidi and her crew said..and if you are okay with that..or if you are not…that is your opinion.
This is between Heidi and her admins…not you and me..or even Philip.
So as for what I want to say to you Dee…
I will say it again. I reached out to you days before any of this…I did that because I felt we had a connection after reading some of your journal. I told you I cared and we would just need to agree to disagree.
Those are the facts..between you and I. And really..when I get to the truth of it for me..I only know the facts for me.
May 7, 2008 at 11:49 pm |
Amy…
thanks for the response. I think we have cleared the air. For the record, I did come into all this mid-stream, so as far as not mentioning Phillip…you obviously have a band of support out here and that’s what we all need. Don’t quit mentioning him and getting your support of something that I observed. It’s your blog. It’s your support and you are entitled to it.
And, if I reflect a little on the issue of support, I’m sure that my friends in the KK community could say the same thing about me, about a failed relationship with my ex…Gary, that I brought up over and over and over again. But I was looking for support.
While I want to be heard. I wanted to have a voice, because I felt like I personally needed one out here. I also respect your right to have a voice…especially in your own blog.
You clearly have a lot of friends out here and friends that want to stand by you.
Good Luck on your journey.
Dee
May 9, 2008 at 7:42 pm |
Hi Dee,
Your honesty & bluntness is refreshing! Your logic, reasoning, & patience is commendable.
Congratulations on your weight loss success, however I am sorry that you have now become a target of those hateful people.
I stumbled across your blog after I read the great debate over someone named gran over at amy’s, whom mentioned no one had ever mentioned Dr’s so I went over to the way back machine & found these:
August disclaimer 2006
The advice offered on this site, although based on personal experience, is not intended to be a substitute for the advice and counsel of your personal physician. Pregnant women and people with severe kidney disease are strongly advised not to follow this diet.
Dec 06 disclaimer
Copyright © 2005 – 2006 Kimkins.com
The advice offered on this site is not intended as a substitute for the advice of your physician. Consult your physician before beginning this or any diet. If you are pregnant, have kidney disease or other serious illness you should not follow this diet.
Note physicians are mentioned in the disclaimers!
Take Care & I hope you will post some pictures, or be back on the front page when you reach goal.
Tori
May 13, 2008 at 2:01 am |
Dee,
Your blog is great! I know I am not a strong person and not as good with words as you are, but I am very proud of my wt loss and have the Kimkins plan to thank for it. And I did not run back and cry to the Admins. that I was being bullied nor to my sister. I only have one sister and I love her very much, she is my older sister and has always been there for me, we are very different, she is very outspoken and I am not. We do not live close and that was her way of helping, may not have been my choice, but I love her for it anyway. AmyB, I did always think highly of you and also recieved the link to your blog through a “mole’s” post, it just shocked me, I had no idea that all of this had taken place, and got on the defensive. Did I run and hide, I don’t know if I would call it that, but I do know when I am out numbered and I know to pick my battles and this was not one that I chose to continue. And the pictures of me being posted were of very poor taste, I know that it was not on your blog, but like you connect us with Kimkins, I connect you to the links on your blog. I really have no desire to continue to battle. But do want to support Dee, she has made some wonderful points on her blog and I appreciate her honesty.
Thanks Dee
Sue
May 13, 2008 at 9:45 pm |
Sue..
I will say this one more time and then as I told Dee I will not be beating my head against the wall anymore.
I have never posted one picture of you …your address…you child’s name….anything at all…period. I am not responsible for what anyone other then myself. So for those of you who keep lumping me in with the haters and the bad people…I think we should try something new…I will be Amy B who is responsible for what she says and does..and each of you are responsible for what you say and do. Sue…I hold your responsible for coming to my blog under a fake name and being rude and mean. You said I was as bad as Heidi. You said how wonderful of a person you were and how awful I am. That is just wrong. You slammed me ….you can scream from the roof top that I am as bad as Heidi and her crew…it is a bold face lie. You came under a fake name and blasted rude personal comments to me. And I still did not go there with you.
You did not run and hide..you came hidden…
I have always looked at your pictures and thought you look awesome. When you e-mailed me and said you missed me at KK..I asked three people to let you know I was banned…I never would of thought you and I would have these issues. But we do.
As for Dee…well she handles things different. She goes the total opposite ..she gets a little too fired up…Oh Dee..did we decide on a different name…haha..yep..Dee and I admit we disagree. We are snarky about it. But we face it and deal with it.
Sue..if you would like to talk this out…e-mail me…I am not who you think I am..
May 13, 2008 at 11:02 pm |
Amy,
This is a copy of the letter that I sent to you, I am posting it on here to refresh your
memory, I truelly meant what I had said in there, no I didn’t want to kiss and make up, But wanted you to possibly understand where I was coming from.
And I won’t post your return, but I don’t think you really took it to heart and listened to what I wrote.
************
Amy,
I am writing you this note, to let you know that I did not go into your blog to slam
you, i went in there to see how you were doing. When I saw the harsh words, I got
on the defense and I put them into words. I should not have and can not retract
them. You have been wronged, to what extent, I can only imagine. But the group
of people that you are using as your new support, may not be the best choice for
what you need now. I know they can be nice, I have seen nice comments to you,
and that is great for healing but this slamming of everyone will do you no good in
the long run, no I am not a professional but I am a human with eyes and feelings.
And maybe someone with a degree might be something to look into. The “others”
are doing some of the same to me that Kimkins did to you, is that what you want
as your support? I know I can not take back any comments that I made, the
only thing I can do is not to ever comment on the blogs again, and that is what
I have chosen to do, thats all I can do.
This is just a note to let you know that I am sorry that I went into your blog and
posted, my thoughts were my own and I should have kept them to myself. I think
you need some positives in your life for your healing, this stuff will only bring you
down.
Good luck to you
Sue
*********
Ok, now tell me, was that bad? It was a very heartfelt message to you. And like I’ve said before, I am only swalt at Kimkins, that is my user name there and does not have to be my user name everywhere.
And for everyone else, I don’t even know why there is conflict between us, we are all wifes, mothers, sisters, etc that want to feel better about ourselves, some of you don’t like Kimkins, and some others do, some don’t like Kimmer, and some do. If you have a problem with a person,
than you and that person should take care of it, but bicker back and fourth between us does nothing other than make us more mad, are we mad that you don’t like Kimkins, no we really don’t care if you do or not, do you care if we like Kimkins, I doubt it, you just want to have the last word
and make fun. Why is there a “Kimmer thread” on LCF, if all aspects of Kimkins can’t be expressed? I paid my $60 to look like a few of the people in the magazine, the girl in the red dress being one of them, and you know what? I got what I paid for, I paid to look like that girl, and I got as
close as I’m gonna get to her. I’m pleased, will I stay this way, probly not…but even if I gain 20 lbs back I will still be better off than I was before.
ok, I’m done…and by no means am I as good of a writer as Dee, but I tried…
Sue
May 13, 2008 at 11:07 pm |
Oh, forgot to post this.. maybe you could fill me in on who this person could be??
“BTW be careful..those who you think are your friends..well ya never know..but you will” I don’t think I have anything to hide…
But would love to know who this could be. You can email me if you don’t want to post it in here…
Sue
May 13, 2008 at 11:18 pm |
Sue..
I did not start the LCF post…Um..Heidi was there from what I understand…Feel free to wander over there and ask them. Once again..I am Amy B…I did not start a thread there…Would you like me to ask them why and get back to you?
I am going to answer your question. Below are the comments you made about me in my blog. Now if that is not rude and mean…I just do not know what is..
You are right the e-mail you sent me was nice UNTIL you said I needed some professional help..lol
Since you refreshed my memory..let me do the same..
I must say reading over the comments left to me in my blog by Sue AKA`Swalt. I am surprised at just how rude, mean she is. How many times can one person say how great she is. Yes you are perfect Swalt. And You fit in great with Heidi. Two peas in a pod.
Here are your words to me…
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if you knew, Amy who I really was, and no I’m not singinglass, you would be surprised, but I am not the “simple” person that everyone thinks I am, I am a wonderful person
Such a shame, Amy. You were always so sweet.
have you no heart?
You are not a good person.
but honey your a close second, doing the same if not worse. And bringing Singinglass down too, what has she ever done to you? You are not a good person.
you got a family that could use your attention more…
shame on you…
May 13, 2008 at 11:28 pm |
Amy & Sue…thanks for stopping by.
Sue…I will say…that I felt exactly like you did when I first ventured out of KK site and saw what was out here.
We have had more than a week of going back and forth. I have gotten defensive, but tried really hard to stand my ground for my right to participate in KK.
I think Amy and I would both attest that yesterday was a day that could have made even the man upstairs cussing mad.
But, today…it seems like we (myself and many of the others) have gotten to a place to agree to disagree.
There were some posts today from folks of understanding my position. Not necessarily agreeing with me…but at least a place of understanding.
I found that after we got past our….. “snarkiness”, many of them are in the same boat as us….trying to get lose weight, get healthy and have support.
I think when I came out here into cyber space…we found out what happens when 2 passionate souls collided. Who knows…maybe something new and improved will be born of it.
As of today, I don’t regret having come out here….I hope that they don’t regret every having heard the name…DEEDLYNN.
I will leave it with this….my mom and I had a big disagreement when I went searching within my religion of Christianity….I was raised in a BAPTIST church, but have been drawn more and more to Catholism. Not a convert yet….but I see it in my future. In any event, she finally said to me…I don’t agree…not how you were raised….but there are different paths that get you too the same place (heaven)…so if we meet there, how can I complain. Maybe this weight loss journey…has different paths to get us to the same place….and if we arrive at goal, healthy and looking good…then how can I complain….(AND YOU GUYS…I know what you are going to say….you know what you are going to say….I am giggling…and I hope you are too!). LOL.